person
1929–2007·also known as Baudrillard

The French theorist to whom Bob devotes "a long section" of iON as the figure marking the transition out of "the medium of TIME" — the one who noticed the later sense in which medium and message could no longer be told apart. Cameron, who has "never read even a single line" of him, assesses him only through Bob's quotations, and reads his collapse of distinctions as itself a Gutenberg-Galaxy habit of mind. A recurring name from the earlier Tiny Note Chart sessions, he gets his most sustained treatment here — start with dialogue 32, where he is paired with the reading of Nam June Paik.

Across the dialogues

32

Enters as Bob's "transition out of the medium of TIME," judged by Cameron to complicate McLuhan without reaching the meat

In Bob's iON, Baudrillard marks the transition out of "the medium of TIME" — the theorist who arrived at McLuhan's later point that the medium can no longer be told from the message.

"I have a long section on Baudrillard."
Bob Dobbsasserted

Cameron judges Baudrillard entirely through Bob's quotations, finding him to seize "only an incidental piece" of what McLuhan was doing — making things more complex without "getting at the meat."

"I've never read even a single line of Baudrillard."
Cameron McEwenasserted

On the iON page-29 quote, Cameron reads Baudrillard's collapse of poles as "the characteristic vision of the Gutenberg Galaxy" — the idea that, given a long enough perspective, everything comes to a point.

"and that is where he mentions the distinction between poles can no longer be maintained."
Cameron McEwenasserted
33

Gets his one sustained close reading — no longer a name Bob invokes but a text the two read line by line, and the arc turns from Cameron's dismissal toward a wary respect, the theorist reframed as describing the cul-de-sac from inside rather than a lesser McLuhan

Cameron sets the reading's test — whether Baudrillard has actually seen the end of "perspective and panoptic space" or merely announced it; the whole session turns on the gap between his claim and his text.

"whether or not Baudrillard really has seen the end of perspective and panoptic space."
Cameron McEwenasserted

Cameron's central charge — Baudrillard reinstitutes the very perspective and panoptic space he has just pronounced gone, "slipping into the non-structural" where McLuhan would have held the structural gap open.

"he reinstitutes perspective and panoptic space at the very moment that he says that they have disappeared."
Cameron McEwenasserted

Against Bob's either/or — "badly translated, or he's kind of a sloppy thinker" — Cameron supplies the method for the hour: read the contradictions as symptoms of a formula whose generator can't yet be grasped, not as failures.

"but instead there is a kind of complicated formula going on here where we can see its effects in this text, but we don't really have a good handle on what is generating it."
Cameron McEwenasserted

Cameron relocates Baudrillard's real subject from "the medium" to genesis — the hyperreal has to be taken as original, not as a relation between the two already-known terms "TV" and "life."

"So trying to understand the genesis of the hyperreal as something original is a very interesting question."
Cameron McEwenasserted

Cameron reads the plural title as load-bearing — because simulation "cannot be singular," coming out of the cul-de-sac yields many kinds at once, the passive who "lack all conviction" beside the intense who are "full of passionate intensity."

"A simulation is inherently plural."
Cameron McEwenasserted

The session's verdict — Cameron, who "never read even a single line" of Baudrillard, ends with raised respect for him, against Bob's deflationary counter that the book exists "just... to get this quote out there."

"I came to a greater respect of Baudrillard through our conversation."
Cameron McEwenasserted
35

Read one register up — the page-29 citation is folded back into the running verdict that he only ever maps the dead end, so the hour pivots from his text to whether McLuhan can answer it

Cameron folds the whole page-29 citation into one verdict — Baudrillard's gift is to chart the dead end from within, never to leave it, so the only live question is whether McLuhan can speak from inside the same cul-de-sac.

"what Baudrillard was doing over and over and over again was defining sort of the cul-de-sac in which the modern world has eventuated."
Cameron McEwenasserted
65

Supplies the session's sharpest image of the benched human — the video recorder that watches television on its owner's behalf, offered as the ordinary form of machines processing instead of people

The observation is used as the domestic proof of the Android meme's operation — the extension no longer serves an organ, it replaces the act.

"as Baudrillard said, you know, people tape all the time. We're in the 80s taping with their video recorders, but not watching it. So he said the TV, the video recorder was watching TV for them."
Jean Baudrillard, quoted by Bob Dobbsreported

Connections

assessed againstMarshall McLuhan

Cameron, who has never read Baudrillard, judges him through Bob's quotations to capture only an incidental, Gutenbergian slice of McLuhan.

describesCul-de-Sac

Cameron reads the whole page-27 passage as Baudrillard describing the cul-de-sac from inside it — the "universal blank" left when the genesis of the hyperreal can't be grasped.

unwitting echo ofFinnegans Wake

Bob's charge — Baudrillard is "redoing Finnegans Wake" without being able to quote it; if he could read the Wake he would already be where he is trying to get.