[00:02] Bob Dobbs: Okay,
[00:02] Bob Dobbs: this is
[00:03] Bob Dobbs: Cameron McEwen and Bob again,
[00:05] Bob Dobbs: session number 22,
[00:07] Bob Dobbs: April 15th,
[00:07] Bob Dobbs: 2021,
[00:10] Bob Dobbs: and we're at the end of my book.
[00:13] Bob Dobbs: We're going through the interview with the tech body,
[00:16] Bob Dobbs: the sort of punchline of the book.
[00:19] Bob Dobbs: And we've done a few paragraphs,
[00:21] Bob Dobbs: and at the top of the PDF 181,
[00:25] Bob Dobbs: I'm going to read the next section.
[00:28] Bob Dobbs: The tech body is answering.
[00:31] Bob Dobbs: And it's saying the tech body,
[00:35] Bob Dobbs: the TV body,
[00:36] Bob Dobbs: the mechanical bride,
[00:38] Bob Dobbs: the application of what humans are supposed to know,
[00:41] Bob Dobbs: has been attacked,
[00:43] Bob Dobbs: captured,
[00:44] Bob Dobbs: and moved to what is now known as the tech body.
[00:48] Bob Dobbs: So it said the tech body,
[00:49] Bob Dobbs: the TV body,
[00:50] Bob Dobbs: the mechanical bride,
[00:53] Bob Dobbs: it's including the words the tech body as having been moved to what is now known as the tech body,
[00:59] Bob Dobbs: just as the power.
[01:01] Bob Dobbs: God's power,
[01:03] Bob Dobbs: human's power was captured in the Ark of the Covenant.
[01:06] Bob Dobbs: Now the tech body has enough power to capture the printing press,
[01:10] Bob Dobbs: to capture the Android Meme,
[01:12] Bob Dobbs: to capture the mechanical bride.
[01:14] Bob Dobbs: It's now the driver,
[01:15] Bob Dobbs: the single driver.
[01:17] Bob Dobbs: Nothing else applies,
[01:19] Bob Dobbs: which is why your quadrants,
[01:21] Bob Dobbs: that's a section of my chart,
[01:24] Bob Dobbs: which is why your quadrants are now more keen than ever.
[01:27] Bob Dobbs: and why silly people are actually looking at your work now because it's the only way to connect the dots.
[01:36] Bob Dobbs: All right,
[01:36] Bob Dobbs: does that inspire you to say anything there?
[01:38] Cameron McEwen: Yeah.
[01:39] Cameron McEwen: I got lots of questions here.
[01:41] Cameron McEwen: For example,
[01:42] Cameron McEwen: the word keen in that last sentence.
[01:46] Cameron McEwen: What does that mean,
[01:47] Cameron McEwen: which is why your quadrants are now more keen?
[01:51] Bob Dobbs: Than ever.
[01:54] Bob Dobbs: Well,
[01:54] Bob Dobbs: the tech body is alive.
[01:56] Bob Dobbs: The quadrants,
[01:57] Bob Dobbs: remember the chart is an image of the Android Meme,
[02:01] Bob Dobbs: and the chart predicts the phatic quadrant,
[02:06] Bob Dobbs: the sixth level,
[02:07] Bob Dobbs: which became the tech body.
[02:10] Bob Dobbs: So it's the living thing.
[02:12] Bob Dobbs: So it means the content,
[02:16] Bob Dobbs: if the quadrants are the content of the Android Meme,
[02:18] Bob Dobbs: are now more alive than ever,
[02:20] Bob Dobbs: more active,
[02:21] Bob Dobbs: more invasive of us.
[02:24] Bob Dobbs: And why silly people are being forced to look at my charts and statements because it's close to what's going on.
[02:34] Bob Dobbs: I help connect the dots.
[02:38] Cameron McEwen: So,
[02:39] Cameron McEwen: I mean,
[02:39] Cameron McEwen: one of the peculiar things about all this is that the tech body,
[02:46] Cameron McEwen: if that's who's speaking,
[02:48] Cameron McEwen: keeps jumping around so that sometimes it's the first.
[02:53] Cameron McEwen: person,
[02:54] Cameron McEwen: sometimes it's a third person,
[02:58] Cameron McEwen: right?
[02:58] Cameron McEwen: Sometimes it's some other person.
[03:05] Cameron McEwen: For example,
[03:06] Cameron McEwen: it says the tech body dot,
[03:14] Cameron McEwen: has been attacked,
[03:15] Cameron McEwen: captured,
[03:16] Cameron McEwen: and moved to what is now known as the tech body.
[03:22] Bob Dobbs: That's good.
[03:23] Bob Dobbs: That's rich.
[03:26] Bob Dobbs: I know.
[03:27] Bob Dobbs: You see,
[03:28] Bob Dobbs: this is,
[03:29] Bob Dobbs: it's like human awareness.
[03:31] Bob Dobbs: You have awareness of yourself,
[03:33] Bob Dobbs: so you are both.
[03:34] Bob Dobbs: You are two.
[03:35] Bob Dobbs: iON likes to talk about,
[03:37] Bob Dobbs: iON likes to talk about the difference or the distance between you and you.
[03:43] Bob Dobbs: So it has already established this hendiety,
[03:48] Bob Dobbs: one by means of two.
[03:49] Bob Dobbs: And the tech body is...
[03:51] Bob Dobbs: Part of the iON.
[03:54] Bob Dobbs: It's all merged.
[03:55] Bob Dobbs: It's fitting its weight.
[03:56] Bob Dobbs: It's merged.
[03:58] Bob Dobbs: It's fragmented.
[04:00] Bob Dobbs: It's split.
[04:01] Bob Dobbs: It's not going to stay in one noun.
[04:04] Bob Dobbs: It's all verb process.
[04:09] Cameron McEwen: All right.
[04:15] Bob Dobbs: To capture the mechanical.
[04:17] Bob Dobbs: I like the way he.
[04:18] Bob Dobbs: He brings back the mechanical bride and includes that Innis mixture.
[04:26] Cameron McEwen: So it's like a mosaic that's moving.
[04:32] Cameron McEwen: Is that the correct image that we need here?
[04:35] Bob Dobbs: Yeah,
[04:36] Bob Dobbs: and you're going inside,
[04:37] Bob Dobbs: whatever you are with your five bodies,
[04:40] Bob Dobbs: you're going inside and outside it.
[04:47] Bob Dobbs: The image of a psychedelic experience.
[04:50] Cameron McEwen: Yeah.
[04:51] Cameron McEwen: So how do you put together...
[05:01] Cameron McEwen: going inside it and outside it when it is taking over.
[05:06] Bob Dobbs: Yeah,
[05:07] Bob Dobbs: I think you can't understand.
[05:10] Bob Dobbs: The mind can't grasp the tech body,
[05:12] Bob Dobbs: but I'm still trying to.
[05:15] Bob Dobbs: But it's really difficult to image what this is because you can't image the chip body unless you look at some crazy sculpture or photography.
[05:32] Bob Dobbs: we don't you know your tech body doesn't look like a physical chemical body Wright like to use the phrase dangling ganglia uh-huh uh-huh i like that phrase yeah um
[05:46] Cameron McEwen: so would you say that's a considerable part of modern art um sculpture painting music dance um installation isn't it
[05:59] Bob Dobbs: Digital art?
[06:00] Cameron McEwen: Yeah,
[06:01] Cameron McEwen: but it's an attempt to,
[06:05] Cameron McEwen: if not image,
[06:07] Cameron McEwen: to represent in some way or to come to terms with the tech body.
[06:14] Bob Dobbs: Yep.
[06:16] Bob Dobbs: If you take,
[06:19] Bob Dobbs: well,
[06:19] Bob Dobbs: that's,
[06:22] Bob Dobbs: I think the tech body represents itself when we're watching the media or whatever.
[06:28] Bob Dobbs: sensory extended data you're taking in,
[06:31] Bob Dobbs: so representations don't come anywhere near it.
[06:34] Bob Dobbs: I like to say Finnegans Wake is the closest and the only attempt to get to it.
[06:40] Bob Dobbs: The complexity of it is Finnegans Wake.
[06:44] Cameron McEwen: So is it possible to see
[06:48] Cameron McEwen: Joyce and,
[06:51] Cameron McEwen: I don't know,
[06:52] Cameron McEwen: just taking a name out of the air like Picasso,
[06:56] Cameron McEwen: Is it possible to see...
[06:58] Cameron McEwen: Figures like this as kind of stuck in some kind of jelly or something,
[07:08] Cameron McEwen: and they're trying to extricate themselves,
[07:12] Cameron McEwen: but they can't come loose,
[07:15] Cameron McEwen: right?
[07:16] Cameron McEwen: And
[07:17] Cameron McEwen: Finnegans Wake or some painting by
[07:21] Cameron McEwen: Picasso or some dance by Cunningham,
[07:26] Cameron McEwen: let's say.
[07:28] Cameron McEwen: that these are,
[07:33] Cameron McEwen: by definition,
[07:34] Cameron McEwen: they can't come loose of the tech body and sort of become objective to it.
[07:44] Cameron McEwen: But they can struggle with it.
[07:48] Cameron McEwen: And they can,
[07:51] Cameron McEwen: you said something like attempting to come to terms with a while back.
[07:57] Bob Dobbs: Yeah.
[07:58] Bob Dobbs: You get glimpses of it.
[08:00] Bob Dobbs: You get glimpses of your autonomy of it,
[08:03] Bob Dobbs: but it doesn't last very long.
[08:04] Cameron McEwen: Your autonomy?
[08:05] Cameron McEwen: Your non-existent autonomy?
[08:07] Cameron McEwen: Yeah,
[08:08] Cameron McEwen: your non-existent autonomy,
[08:09] Bob Dobbs: yeah.
[08:10] Bob Dobbs: The nothing.
[08:13] Bob Dobbs: Somebody read,
[08:13] Bob Dobbs: have you ever heard of Nick Land,
[08:16] Bob Dobbs: L-A-N-D?
[08:18] Cameron McEwen: I have heard that name.
[08:20] Cameron McEwen: I don't know in what connection.
[08:21] Cameron McEwen: I can't remember.
[08:22] Bob Dobbs: Yeah,
[08:22] Bob Dobbs: he was a British professor who led the CCRU.
[08:28] Bob Dobbs: the cyber something research unit and they began with nothing and then they the nothing became a nothing nothing nothing uh you know we're talking about nihilism he had many levels of nothing describing our time uh
[08:44] Bob Dobbs: don't have that quote right with me someone read it to me on the show today but you know i was thinking about the nihilism and the nothing uh yeah there's levels of nothing going on.
[08:57] Cameron McEwen: Yeah,
[08:57] Cameron McEwen: we're coming up to that,
[08:58] Cameron McEwen: as a matter of fact.
[09:00] Bob Dobbs: Is that right?
[09:00] Bob Dobbs: Do I talk about it?
[09:02] Cameron McEwen: Well,
[09:03] Cameron McEwen: I mean,
[09:03] Cameron McEwen: in the next paragraph,
[09:05] Cameron McEwen: you have it all gone now.
[09:07] Cameron McEwen: It's all gone.
[09:09] Bob Dobbs: Okay,
[09:10] Bob Dobbs: so...
[09:13] Cameron McEwen: Before we leave this,
[09:16] Cameron McEwen: talk about the Ark of the Covenant.
[09:18] Cameron McEwen: I don't know what that has to do with what we're talking about.
[09:23] Bob Dobbs: The tech body being part of iON...
[09:26] Bob Dobbs: is the architect of the Christian vision and all religions.
[09:37] Bob Dobbs: Since the iON is the guff,
[09:40] Bob Dobbs: where we go when we die,
[09:42] Bob Dobbs: it was all that theology talks about,
[09:47] Bob Dobbs: including the Tibetan Book of the Dead,
[09:49] Bob Dobbs: the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
[09:50] Bob Dobbs: So iON is non-physical,
[09:53] Bob Dobbs: the guff,
[09:54] Bob Dobbs: and it's merged or...
[09:56] Bob Dobbs: come in more intimate contact with the physical so that you can stay in the physical now and not die.
[10:04] Bob Dobbs: That's
[10:05] Bob Dobbs: iON's talk,
[10:07] Bob Dobbs: and it makes a big deal out of the Ark of the Covenant that the Jews put their power,
[10:14] Bob Dobbs: once they escaped Egypt,
[10:15] Bob Dobbs: they put their power into the Ark of the Covenant.
[10:19] Bob Dobbs: And it became very powerful,
[10:21] Bob Dobbs: you know,
[10:22] Bob Dobbs: that movie
[10:24] Bob Dobbs: Raiders of the Lost Ark.
[10:25] Bob Dobbs: Remember at the end,
[10:26] Bob Dobbs: the Nazis attacked it,
[10:28] Bob Dobbs: and then it consumed them?
[10:30] Bob Dobbs: Right.
[10:32] Cameron McEwen: I don't watch movies like that.
[10:34] Cameron McEwen: I've never seen that.
[10:35] Bob Dobbs: I've never seen that.
[10:38] Bob Dobbs: You've never seen the tech body.
[10:39] Bob Dobbs: Okay.
[10:40] Bob Dobbs: So the point is that the Ark of the Covenant,
[10:46] Bob Dobbs: according to iON,
[10:47] Bob Dobbs: could do that.
[10:48] Bob Dobbs: It was a weapon the Jews had.
[10:51] Bob Dobbs: So it says,
[10:54] Bob Dobbs: or the tech body says,
[10:55] Bob Dobbs: that it lingered by the Ark of the Covenant.
[11:00] Bob Dobbs: As we got today,
[11:02] Bob Dobbs: our super-civilized subatomic lives got to the point where we actually could take our power back that we had put into iconography.
[11:13] Bob Dobbs: The only thing that's sabotaging that is the tech body.
[11:16] Bob Dobbs: Everybody's staring at their black mirror,
[11:18] Bob Dobbs: and the more they do that,
[11:19] Bob Dobbs: the more they give power to the tech body,
[11:21] Bob Dobbs: and we end up slaves like the Jews were to the Ark of the Covenant.
[11:27] Cameron McEwen: Okay,
[11:27] Cameron McEwen: but a minute ago you were...
[11:30] Cameron McEwen: talking about the tech body as kind of an ally of
[11:37] Cameron McEwen: iON. And now you seem to be saying that it's some kind of satanic power.
[11:49] Bob Dobbs: Yes,
[11:49] Bob Dobbs: it is.
[11:50] Bob Dobbs: It's not an ally of iON.
[11:53] Bob Dobbs: It's competing with iON.
[11:54] Bob Dobbs: iON is here to give us back our power,
[11:57] Bob Dobbs: to help it,
[11:58] Bob Dobbs: and not...
[11:59] Bob Dobbs: be dependent on iON.
[12:01] Bob Dobbs: The tech body is trying to interrupt that transmission.
[12:06] Bob Dobbs: So it's working against iON.
[12:09] Bob Dobbs: And iON's having a definite struggle with the tech body right now.
[12:14] Cameron McEwen: So when the tech body is interviewed,
[12:18] Cameron McEwen: which is what we're listening into here,
[12:21] Cameron McEwen: yeah,
[12:23] Cameron McEwen: are we to suspect that a lot of um,
[12:29] Cameron McEwen: What he or she or they have to say is not correct.
[12:35] Bob Dobbs: That's right.
[12:37] Bob Dobbs: And
[12:39] Bob Dobbs: I can talk to iON any time,
[12:43] Bob Dobbs: but
[12:44] Bob Dobbs: I, this first time,
[12:45] Bob Dobbs: got the tech body to come,
[12:47] Bob Dobbs: quote,
[12:47] Bob Dobbs: through iON,
[12:49] Bob Dobbs: or iON allowed it to speak and stepped aside.
[12:54] Bob Dobbs: So,
[12:55] Bob Dobbs: you know,
[12:55] Bob Dobbs: it's another level of this.
[12:58] Bob Dobbs: non-physical communication.
[13:00] Bob Dobbs: And the tech body is not a machine.
[13:02] Bob Dobbs: It's not a machine.
[13:03] Cameron McEwen: Right.
[13:04] Cameron McEwen: No,
[13:04] Cameron McEwen: I understand that.
[13:05] Cameron McEwen: But how can,
[13:07] Cameron McEwen: if you have this sort of contest of powers,
[13:13] Cameron McEwen: how can you say that,
[13:16] Cameron McEwen: how can the tech body say it's now the driver,
[13:19] Cameron McEwen: the single driver?
[13:21] Bob Dobbs: Because it's getting close to being that,
[13:23] Bob Dobbs: and at last count.
[13:26] Bob Dobbs: They were tied.
[13:26] Bob Dobbs: When we first heard about the tech body,
[13:29] Bob Dobbs: it was made up of
[13:30] Bob Dobbs: 8-elevenths iON and
[13:33] Bob Dobbs: 3-elevenths tech body.
[13:35] Bob Dobbs: Then it became
[13:36] Bob Dobbs: 6-elevenths iON and
[13:38] Bob Dobbs: 5-elevenths tech body.
[13:40] Bob Dobbs: Now it's
[13:40] Bob Dobbs: 5-and-a-half each,
[13:42] Bob Dobbs: 5-and-a-half-elevenths,
[13:43] Bob Dobbs: so it's a dead heat.
[13:45] Bob Dobbs: And it's precarious right now what's going to happen as it is in the world right now.
[13:53] Cameron McEwen: Correct.
[13:54] Bob Dobbs: Very precarious.
[13:55] Bob Dobbs: about everything.
[13:58] Bob Dobbs: What is it?
[13:58] Bob Dobbs: The riots are starting again,
[14:00] Bob Dobbs: you know,
[14:00] Bob Dobbs: yesterday.
[14:03] Cameron McEwen: Are you talking about Portland?
[14:04] Bob Dobbs: Yeah,
[14:05] Bob Dobbs: Portland and a whole bunch of other cities broke up.
[14:07] Cameron McEwen: Minneapolis.
[14:09] Cameron McEwen: Yeah.
[14:10] Bob Dobbs: And New York.
[14:10] Cameron McEwen: Yeah,
[14:11] Cameron McEwen: well,
[14:11] Cameron McEwen: I mean,
[14:12] Cameron McEwen: basically the Democrats have tried to ride a horse
[14:26] Cameron McEwen: isn't about to be ridden.
[14:28] Cameron McEwen: Yeah.
[14:29] Cameron McEwen: That's going to cause problems.
[14:32] Bob Dobbs: Right.
[14:34] Bob Dobbs: And the tech body is orchestrating our perception of the whole thing that's going on.
[14:40] Bob Dobbs: That's what iON says.
[14:41] Bob Dobbs: It's behind our eyes.
[14:43] Bob Dobbs: It's in our skulls.
[14:44] Bob Dobbs: It's in our astral bodies.
[14:45] Bob Dobbs: It's surrounded us.
[14:48] Cameron McEwen: And that's a very complex perception,
[14:52] Cameron McEwen: right?
[14:52] Cameron McEwen: I mean,
[14:53] Cameron McEwen: there's our...
[14:54] Cameron McEwen: I mean,
[14:54] Cameron McEwen: just talking about the riots for a minute,
[14:56] Cameron McEwen: there's our perception of it,
[14:59] Cameron McEwen: and obviously our perception over the population greatly varies.
[15:06] Cameron McEwen: So people can think it's good or bad or in between or whatever.
[15:10] Cameron McEwen: There's a million different ways of looking at it.
[15:12] Cameron McEwen: But then the people that are rioting also have a point of view.
[15:18] Bob Dobbs: Yeah.
[15:19] Cameron McEwen: So the points of view here are like a tapioca pudding or something where there's just a great mass of them.
[15:31] Cameron McEwen: And it's like the dynamic mosaic that we were talking about.
[15:35] Cameron McEwen: A while back.
[15:38] Bob Dobbs: Yes,
[15:38] Bob Dobbs: and the tech body gave Trump presidency,
[15:42] Bob Dobbs: it gave
[15:44] Bob Dobbs: Biden the presidency,
[15:45] Bob Dobbs: and it can take it away in a strange way.
[15:49] Bob Dobbs: So tech bodies basically mind-fucking everybody,
[15:55] Bob Dobbs: changing,
[15:56] Bob Dobbs: disrupting,
[15:57] Bob Dobbs: contradicting to confuse the mind.
[16:01] Bob Dobbs: That seems to be the tech bodies.
[16:03] Bob Dobbs: And then that deflates people or gets them apathetic.
[16:07] Bob Dobbs: So then they just give up and give over their power,
[16:11] Bob Dobbs: their being to the tech body,
[16:12] Bob Dobbs: which is what it wants.
[16:15] Cameron McEwen: So you can see.
[16:16] Cameron McEwen: It's unclear to me how that differs from the Android Meme.
[16:21] Bob Dobbs: I was just going to say that the basic statement,
[16:26] Bob Dobbs: statements plural by McLuhan about our interaction with the environment and how it takes us over and how we've got to figure out ways to.
[16:33] Bob Dobbs: unhinge yourselves from it he laid it out and maybe phatic weight did it demonstrated it so that's what holeopathic means it's a replay a deeper involvement of the cul-de-sac that started with what McLuhan was perceiving so
[16:51] Bob Dobbs: yeah the Android Meme was a later development of what the McLuhan laws and then the tech body's a further development from the Android Meme of the same laws but how
[17:01] Cameron McEwen: But...
[17:02] Cameron McEwen: I understand what you're saying there up to a point.
[17:06] Cameron McEwen: But when you say it's a further development,
[17:10] Cameron McEwen: I don't know if it's just the Android Meme getting a little stronger.
[17:17] Cameron McEwen: I don't know if it's the Android Meme having a son.
[17:21] Cameron McEwen: I don't know if
[17:22] Cameron McEwen: S-O-N. I don't know if it's the
[17:26] Cameron McEwen: Android Meme being Trump.
[17:30] Cameron McEwen: What's...
[17:30] Cameron McEwen: the relationship between the Android Meme is already human power gone out from itself and become independent,
[17:42] Cameron McEwen: right?
[17:43] Bob Dobbs: Right,
[17:44] Bob Dobbs: and that's what I meant.
[17:45] Bob Dobbs: I considered the Android Meme quite far along.
[17:48] Bob Dobbs: I didn't imagine much coming after it,
[17:51] Bob Dobbs: but then I announced there was a tech body,
[17:53] Bob Dobbs: or the tech body took over I and announced it.
[17:57] Bob Dobbs: And this is not a...
[17:59] Bob Dobbs: Like a crazy little mind game,
[18:00] Bob Dobbs: I'm playing with
[18:03] Bob Dobbs: JW the medium.
[18:04] Bob Dobbs: This is expressed and talked about to all people that interact with iON.
[18:09] Bob Dobbs: You know,
[18:10] Bob Dobbs: it's quite independent of me,
[18:14] Bob Dobbs: this whole thing.
[18:17] Cameron McEwen: But how do you,
[18:19] Cameron McEwen: in talking about the relationship between the Android Meme and the tech body,
[18:24] Cameron McEwen: you place that in time.
[18:28] Cameron McEwen: First there was this,
[18:29] Cameron McEwen: and then there was that,
[18:30] Cameron McEwen: or this is less and that is more.
[18:34] Cameron McEwen: That can't be right.
[18:36] Bob Dobbs: I know,
[18:36] Bob Dobbs: and when we got the Android Meme,
[18:37] Bob Dobbs: there was no more time,
[18:38] Bob Dobbs: and then
[18:39] Bob Dobbs: iON showed up to confirm that and explain what that meant.
[18:45] Bob Dobbs: What iON does is explain what eternity means,
[18:49] Bob Dobbs: how it's reflected in physics and knowledge and our mind systems and our physical life.
[18:57] Bob Dobbs: the fact that eternity is a given,
[19:00] Bob Dobbs: then we've been here metaphorically or erroneously for a long time so that everything could have happened already,
[19:10] Bob Dobbs: you know,
[19:11] Bob Dobbs: within eternity.
[19:12] Bob Dobbs: So it talks a lot of what iON talks about,
[19:16] Bob Dobbs: talks about what has already happened.
[19:18] Bob Dobbs: And how this is going to unfold is quite set in concrete right now.
[19:28] Bob Dobbs: because it already happened.
[19:30] Bob Dobbs: So
[19:37] Bob Dobbs: I would say there's,
[19:38] Bob Dobbs: you know,
[19:39] Bob Dobbs: you could say there's Gnostic ideas in here,
[19:41] Bob Dobbs: all kinds of ideas.
[19:43] Bob Dobbs: But what's interesting is it's here and talking and interacting with people,
[19:48] Bob Dobbs: watching them,
[19:49] Bob Dobbs: going into their homes,
[19:51] Bob Dobbs: commenting on what they're doing in their homes.
[19:53] Bob Dobbs: It's total surveillance.
[19:55] Bob Dobbs: iON does that,
[19:57] Bob Dobbs: and people have experienced this on the show in very humorous ways.
[20:03] Bob Dobbs: But now
[20:04] Bob Dobbs: I like to say that the tech body is the Android Meme gone psychopathic in a way,
[20:10] Bob Dobbs: some way beyond the passivity of the Android Meme,
[20:13] Bob Dobbs: which was just trying to reflect the human back to the humans so the humans didn't think that technology was there anymore.
[20:21] Bob Dobbs: It was hiding.
[20:23] Bob Dobbs: And so that's why the chart has paranoia,
[20:25] Bob Dobbs: schizophrenia,
[20:26] Bob Dobbs: hysteria,
[20:27] Bob Dobbs: panic,
[20:28] Bob Dobbs: and ecstasy,
[20:28] Bob Dobbs: you know,
[20:29] Bob Dobbs: human situations.
[20:30] Bob Dobbs: It reflected more and more.
[20:32] Bob Dobbs: And a lot of people said,
[20:34] Bob Dobbs: we're getting dumber and dumber as media got cruder or what crude issues were not censored anymore.
[20:41] Bob Dobbs: And so the ugliness of humans or what humans before civilized humans in quotes thought was ugly became more prominent.
[20:51] Bob Dobbs: So...
[20:52] Bob Dobbs: I used to say that was the Android Meme trying to be as stupid as humans are so that humans could ignore anti-environment itself.
[21:02] Bob Dobbs: Well,
[21:03] Bob Dobbs: so the Android Meme was like in a passive chameleon weird way.
[21:07] Bob Dobbs: But then it said,
[21:09] Bob Dobbs: screw you,
[21:10] Bob Dobbs: we're taking over.
[21:11] Bob Dobbs: It didn't care to mirror us anymore.
[21:16] Bob Dobbs: So the Android Meme is more the mirroring phase of us,
[21:20] Bob Dobbs: trying to accommodate us.
[21:21] Bob Dobbs: It has left us now,
[21:23] Bob Dobbs: and that's the tech body.
[21:26] Cameron McEwen: So you could say that the human personality,
[21:34] Cameron McEwen: if you will,
[21:36] Cameron McEwen: had already escaped and was independent,
[21:44] Cameron McEwen: but it wasn't exercising.
[21:47] Bob Dobbs: It got surrounded by the tech body in new ways.
[21:51] Cameron McEwen: Yeah,
[21:52] Cameron McEwen: but that surround was not exercising its personality.
[22:01] Cameron McEwen: Yeah.
[22:03] Cameron McEwen: It was simply mirroring the human personality or the lack thereof.
[22:10] Bob Dobbs: Yeah,
[22:10] Bob Dobbs: you could say the Android Meme the tech body acquiring personality.
[22:15] Cameron McEwen: No,
[22:15] Cameron McEwen: the other way around.
[22:18] Cameron McEwen: The tech body is the Android Meme.
[22:21] Cameron McEwen: the Android Meme acquiring personality.
[22:24] Bob Dobbs: That's what I thought I said,
[22:26] Bob Dobbs: and that's what I meant.
[22:27] Bob Dobbs: No,
[22:27] Cameron McEwen: you said the opposite.
[22:28] Cameron McEwen: Yeah,
[22:28] Cameron McEwen: that's what you meant.
[22:29] Cameron McEwen: Yeah,
[22:29] Bob Dobbs: the tech body.
[22:30] Bob Dobbs: As McLuhan would say,
[22:31] Bob Dobbs: I might have got that backwards.
[22:33] Bob Dobbs: Have you ever heard him?
[22:35] Bob Dobbs: He used to say that occasionally.
[22:36] Bob Dobbs: Yeah,
[22:36] Bob Dobbs: that makes sense.
[22:39] Bob Dobbs: Yeah,
[22:39] Bob Dobbs: he'd talk about cliche and archetype and the difference,
[22:42] Bob Dobbs: and he probably did...